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it's so rigid it sounds all fake.
girls will find you funny, tho
Im a chick 2 bro, wats ur point? Sory if it sounds fake 2u. Ill speak like a retard now s u r hapy
oh noes, ami real nough now 4u?
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do you mean know-it-all? and in any case, what is the matter with the language I use? Apart from the occasional greek expression of course (slow the eggs, it's not a big deal)sure thing chump. never heard anyone use language like that anywhere else other than tiny all-knowing greece, tho...
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absolutely true...
I mean wtf is English is expensive one and America 10???
anyway tomorrow is my ECPE speaking....wish me luck
ahahaha, you are absolutely true, and I am aware that the expression is greek, but since we are amongst greeks, I figured it would be understood. Plus, I do enjoy translating greek sentences in english because I think it's funny. Sorry if I offended you. If you want us to talk in stricty academic english I can do that too.
Good luck, and don't use any greek expressions tomorrow.
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It all depends on the requirements of the specific uni. Some need interviews, others need exams, others just need to pay for them... They mostly need a good interview I would say.
I see. Also, i read somewhere that if they accept you for a masters they give you a scholarship, do you know if that's true? Because if England is expensive one time, America is ten
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ενδιάμεσος λόουερ-προφίσιενσυ... :ρ
ααα, σορυζ. πρέπει να τα πούμε στα ινγκλαντ, ε;
οου γιες να ουμ.
δερζ δατ ΤΟΕFL θινγκι.
Νο γουοριζ δο.
I am not talking about TOEFL, I am talking about entrance exams specifically for each department. And anyway, if you don't have a clue what we are talking about, please don't participate.
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ενδιάμεσος λόουερ-προφίσιενσυ... :ρ
sorry, I don't understand what you mean. Also, in this thread we must speak in english
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Anyway, sorry if I confused you, it may be like that in Paris but in England it's not. I have many friends who applied this year, and I have looked into it alot, since I am applying soon, and there is absolutely no chance you can skip a year, or go in a more advanced level, or anything, based on the fact that our undergraduate is one year more. Again, I am talking about my subject. Good luck to you too!! Can I ask you something as well?? In order to apply to America, do we need to take some exams ? Because I think that some unis want you to take entrance exams.
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hii!! Can I ask, what ru gonna study in the Uk?? I hear that since the undergraduate degree in Greece is 4 years, and there's master 1 & 2 abroad, then u will be automatically put in master 2... is that correct?? I hear Oxford uni has some good post graduate programmes concerning ancient greek stuff, but it must be pretty expensive So anyways I wish u enjoy england to the fullest, I really adore this country...
No, it's not correct. Our degree is the equivalent to an English BA degree (undergraduate, three years). On top of that, the masters 1 and 2 you are referring too must be the MA taught and the MA research (if I understood what you mean, because for my subject at least these are the two options). One is not exactly easier than the other, they just focus on different things. The MA taught is a taught program (what a surprise ) which has a duration of 1 year, and is more based on lectures, and of course a final dissertation. The MA research is more based on individual research and its dissertation is lengthier and counts more towards the final mark of the course. Now, the MA research tends to be 2 years (although I know that in some unis its one year as well) and if it is 2 years and you wish to continue towards a PhD, then your PhD can be 2 years instead of 3. So basically, the research one is a good intermediate step if you want to go for a PhD, without it meaning that if you go on an MA taught you can't go for a PhD. To be honest, the sites don't really clarify the difference, apart from the dissertation thing I mentioned. So basically, it all comes down to what suits you. For example, I feel that a taught one is better for me because it guides you more towards how to research, how to write an essay, which I think is important since in our university in Greece we don't focus overly on those technical matters. A research one is more individual, has less lecture hours etc.
In any case, the Oxford site recommends you apply for the taught one, and I've heard that if they feel a research one is better for you, they suggest it themselves. (all this information is based on my subject but I think the differences between subjects-especially since yours is a humanities subject as well- and universities won't be huge. In any case, I can guarantee that our degree is not recognised as more important or more advanced than the English ones )
Now, as for what I want to study, I am orientating towards Hellenistic literature (greek literature after the death of Alexander) or Augustan literature (roman literature of the augustan period). Oxford has indeed an amazing Classics department, and so does Cambridge and UCL. Hopefully I will be accepted
Money is indeed an issue, its around 11.000 pounds for Oxford and fairly less for Cambridge, and only around 4.000 for UCL ("only" based on how much the other two are not that I can casually take 4.000 pounds out of my pocket and pay for it). Oxbridge (Oxford and Cambridge) are more expensive cause they have the collegiate system and you have to pay for the college fees on top of the university's fees. However, there are some good scholarships offered both from Greece and from England, hopefully I will be able to take some.
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Since you've already obtained the proficiency, why do you need to take the IELTS?
no university accepts proficiency. To be specific, only a few do, but even these want you to have taken it up to 2 years before you apply. Mine is abit older than that. Plus most of the universities I am applying to don't accept it (the funny thing is that Cambridge doesn't accept it...how logical is that? It's very annoying actually.)
I forgot to mention I am applying for post grad in England. That's why I want it, it's needed for the application.
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Hi! Thanks for the information! I've found the link at the greek literature department's site, but I can't find the list of the foreign universities... I just read the general info... where can I find the list?
Don't worry you can't go again...! You already had the chance! Besides, from what you've mentioned at your previous posts, you're interested in applying for post-gradute studies at UK universities, therefore, you'll study there again!
I dont worry that I cant go again, I just feel jealous that they added Oxford now, whereas when I applied we didnt have the option...Ah well....its not that I didnt have fun where I was, but Oxford is OXFORD! You know?
The list can be found at this page https://www.interel.uoa.gr/socrates-erasmus/proc_el.html
Are you interested in applying for erasmus?
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Ah well...
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Well, just the first book of the series. It has also been translated into Ancient Greek. Now THAT would be funny. The Dursleys are called something like "Δούρσλειοι".
Actually the first two books I've read the second one. The ancient Greek one is hilarious I've read some pages and it was so funny.
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hehe I must admit I haven't read it all thoroughly, but I have read my favourite chapters, of course having the english one next to me, so I could look up every word I didn't know (and there were many ). And yes, some words must be new, obviously, but this applies to any language. There are words in Harry Potter that don't exist in English either, and obviously the translators in every language had to invent the equivalent. So it can't be that different for Latin.You've read the whole book in latin...??? Congratulations!!! It seems quite difficult...
I wonder though how did they manage to translate all the words and expressions... It's not very easy to translate contemporary expressions into ancient languages, at least not without having to invent some new words - that, of course, did not exist back in the time latin was spoken...
It must have helped you improve your latin!!!
Now though I want to start reading actual latin poetry in latin. When I finish the damn uni I will devote a year in improving my latin before applying for post grad. My first book to read will be Ovid's Tristia. Oh yeah!!!
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Really?
I've heard that "Harry Potter" has been translated into latin... I wonder who's going to read it...
I believe that this kind of things (translations in ancient languages) happen only to attract people's attention...
They're kind of meaningless... None's going to buy a modern book in latin or read an on-line encyclopedia in ancient greek for example...
I really like latin but I'd never prefer to read a book in latin than in english... unless of course it's wriiten by a latin author, yet again I'll need a dictionary...!!!
I have read the Harry potter book in latin. The reason I did that, other than the fact that it was so funny, is because I am familiar with the book ( I actually know it quite well since I used to be a Harry Potter addict when I was a teenager ) and I didn't have to use a dictionary all the time cause I already knew what it meant. It really improved my vocab. Also, I know for a fact that a professor at our University has also read it. And I also know many classicists from England who do read wikipedia in Latin, to practice their Latin. And as I said, because it's fun.
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@ Ο αναγνώστης: I didn't know that the neo-latin languages that exist nowadays were formed on the basis of a mixture of latin and other languages the locals used before...! That's why I thought they were in a way the development of latin into a variety of different but at the same time quite similar languages that could be characterised as "Modern latin languages". That certainly explains why there are many neo-latin languages and not just one.
Personally, I don't know any other romance language besides French. When I started learning latin though I noticed a great number of similarities between latin and french. The present tense of the latin verb "sum", for example, is quite similar with its french equivalent! Moreover, the majority of the french words are latin "descendants". So, probably, the influence of the local languages that were mixed with latin, creating the neo-latin languages, is limited to some influences in the form (morphology) of words (suffixes, prefixes) and not in their route... I'm not a linguist however, therefore I'm not certain that this conclusion is completely accurate... I thought I'd give it a try, though, and I formed it on the basis of my limited knowledge on Comparative linguistics...
The wikipedia article on romance languages is surprisingly good. It certainly provides more information than I can
I wish I knew more on the subject because it's really interesting. But the truth remains that modern Greek is a "pure" descendant of ancient Greek (as pure as a language can be obviously) I love that!!
Have you taken the 5th semester's linguistics module? Phonology and Morphology of ancient Greek? That's a very interesting module! I enjoyed it alot !!
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I thought that all these languages that derive from latin (Italian, Spanish, French, Portuguese) are somehow considered as "Modern Latin", even though this specific term is not used to describe them.
You mentioned that these languages were influenced by latin. However, I thought that they did not exist before latin and that they were created afterwords. Therefore, they were not just influenced by latin, they derived from them. We may say that english was influenced by latin, because many modern english words derive from the latin language, but we can't state that english is a neo-latin language, since, first of all, it is categorised under germanic languages and, secondly, it existed before latin, whilst Spanish, Italian, French etc. did not. I don't know if that's absolutely accurate though. Please correct me, if it's not. I'm really interested in this particular issue!
By the way, I did not know that nowadays Modern Latin exists and that is spoken in the Vatican! Is this language's development similar to the one that Greek had and can it be characterised as "Modern Latin" in the same way the Greek language we use nowadays is regarded as Modern Greek? In other words, does Modern latin have the same "relationship" with Latin as Modern Greek has with Ancient Greek?
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I know that modern Latin is spoken by the church in the Vatican and I am guessing that it will be somewhat similar to the relationship modern greek has with ancient. Since my latin is poor and my modern latin non existent, I can't possibly know exactly the connection there. I've heard what I told you. As for the Romance languages being modern latin, it's simply not linguisticly correct, since I'm not a linguist either I can't expain with solid proofs. From my point of view though, with Italian only, because that's the only language I am somewhat familiar with, I know it's based on Dante's mixing of many dialects of italic (not latin, because you know that latin was only spoken in rome exclusively, and the other italians always had their own language as well) which of course had similarities with latin, they were not latin though. The Romance languages are essentially a mix of vulgar latin and the barbarian languages spoken by the natives in each country. The modern romance languages are a merger, not a pure descendent.
Maybe I used the wrong derived more freely than I should, you are right that the terms I used are similar.
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Why are you such a pessimist?
If you study, you will succeed! Don't worry!
Don't you want, however, to continue learning english after passing the lower exams?
Spanish is great as well! Even though I like the way Italian sounds a bit more! In general, I love all the languages that derive from latin! After learning latin (that is ancient italian) at the university, due to my studies, I really appreciated all those languages! Anyway, I may know some latin, but I can't communicate in latin if I ever visit Italy!! It will be very strange... Imagine if someone came in Greece and tried to communicate by speaking ancient greek!!!
Latin is not ancient Italian Italian derived from it, the same way Spanish does, but it didn't develop from it, the same way Greek did from ancient Greek.
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Hi!
Being taught more than one writer each semester sounds great! It really helps students to compare and contrast the works of literature, and not regard them as single pieces but as parts of each era's historical and cultural background. I really love comparative literature and the study of the influence that an author had on the works of an other!
The Egyptian language course sounds fascinating but quite difficult...!!! To bad you had to stop attending it... I completely undesrstand the reason though, because organising your priorities is really important when it comes to studies! Unfortunately, we all have sometimes to give up things we may like such as our hobbies in order to succeed in other fields, that we consider more important... Personally I don't like the fact that I don't have much time to read literature, besides the one related to my university courses...
Comparative linguistics is a very interesting subject! I was quite fascinated by the courses on comparative linguistics and the history of languages that I took during the first year's spring semester at the university. The connections that existed between all those languages really surprised me... I knew already about the Indoeuropean language, but I didn't expect the common parts to be so incredibly many!
Since you plan to visit Edinburgh, I suggest you to read one of my previous posts at this thread, where I mention the city's main attractions! I've been there and it's a magnificent city! If you like medieval architecture you'll really enjoy taking long walks in the streets of the city's Old Town. Moreover you'll learn so much on Scottish history by visiting the town's castle and its museums as well! There are museums about the history of whisky, the traditional scottish drink, and about the way they lived in Edinburgh back in the 19th century up to nowadays! Moreover the views from the castle and the Calton hill are breathtaking!!!
Thanks for your suggestions! My boyfriend has already been there many times so I'll have the best guide Plus he is a history freak so he knows a lot.
Thanous18 I don't know what you are going through but I do know that if you decided to change your life you can do it! Just follow your dreams!
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Studying more authors than just one per semester is really important in order for the student to be able to compare their works and form conclusions for each period's literature as a whole!
Did you get the chance to choose some elective courses offered by other related departments, such as philosophy, psychology, english literature, history etc?
By the way, I didn't expect France to have more applicants, because most students in Greece have degrees of a higher level in english rather than in french!
Anyway, let me change the subject a bit, by posing a couple of other questions...
Which towns in the UK have you visited during your stay there?
What are your other interests, besides Greek Literature?
Personally, I'm very interested in foreign literature (especially english) and literary translation. I also write a lot, but I've never published something...
I totally agree with you, that's one of the main reasons I loved the university so much!! I could have chosen other modules as well, but I didn't want to. English literature though is something you'd definitely not find an equivalent for here. So you could only take it if you didn't mind not actually passing any modules in Greece. I took a module on Egyptian language which was fascinating but unfortunately I had to give it up after a while because the work load on my modules was very demanding plus the egyptian was becoming extremely hard, you'd need to study around 15 hours a week to follow.
As to your other question, I visited London obviously, Windsor, Egham and Staines, Oxford and Cambridge, that's all really. I used to visit my boyfriend every weekend so obviously I didn't have time to go to so many places, but I don't regret it, I am in England all the time because of him (I go every month ) and we can always go wherever when we have time and money..Soon we 'll go to Edinburgh though for a fencing match he has
I love Latin literature as well, especially since my in depth contact with it during my stay in Birmingham. I absolutely adore it. I love learning languages, and I want to improve my Italian now.
I love literature in general, although lately I am readind classical literature almost exclusively.
One of my quirks is that I adore linguistics, especially comparative linguistics and I want to learn ancient languages like Sanskrit! I also want to go on with the egyptian at some point, but I don't think I can find anyone who teaches it here.
Right now my main interest is to finish university so I can go back to England for a masters in Greek and/or Latin literature. I still haven't decided which one, but I think in most universities you don't need to chose. So yei!!
By the way, in which year are you at university?
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I've been in contact with academic english and english speaking education. I haven't however had the chance yet to visit another university on erasmus... Besides a high level of english competence and first class grades, what are the other requirements in order for someone to participate in this programme? Moreover, is it difficult to find courses corresponding to the ones you would attend if you were in Athens? I'm asking this particular question because I've heard that many students who participated in the Erasmus, when they returned in Greece, they had to be examined again in certain courses that did not take during their stay abroad...
As far as the summer schools are concerned, I'm not an ''expert" since I haven't been in many. I'm thinking though of attending at least one more in the future. Each year many British Universities are offering summer courses addressed to students of all ages. There are courses for school students who need to improve their fluency in English and prepare for undergraduate studies abroad. There are also courses on more particular subjects such as literature, psychology, history etc. addressed to undergraduate students. You can choose what interests you the most, either related to your field of study or not, fill in an enrollment form and wait for their answer!
the modules in england are completely different in their orientation and their contents than in greece. For example, whereas our latin for one semester is ONE text by ONE author, they study 4-5 authors in english (there are some latin courses as well but mostly in Oxbridge or courses that focus only on the language, not on commentary etc) and a variety of their works. So for example, in one module I studied in three months god knows how many poems by Catullus (at least 50), Lucretius's de rerum nature, Cicero one speech and one philosophical treatise, Sallust two historical works (quite huge these were ), and Virgil's Eclogues. The ammount of work was unbelievable. You can't always find the exact courses you'd have in Greece but at least the professor who is in chagrge of erasmus in Birmingham understands that and is abit more flexible. However I did manage to find courses like Aristophanes, Euripides etc which were pretty close to our modules.
You only need a certificate to prove that you speak english. You don't need to have first class grades but if there are many applicants, those who have the highest grades will be chosen. This year however the applicants for Birmingham weren't that many. Usually Paris has the most applicants.
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I've heard of the Birmingham accent... It's closer to the London rather than the scottish one I think...
What I meant to say by underlying the difference between the UK and England was that we tend to associate England with the whole Great Britain, whilst there are also Scotland and Wales...
Understanding the scottish accent wasn't that hard for me... At first, of course, I felt that I had to pay more attention than usual in their articulation, but then I got used to it... After staying for a few days in Scotland, not only for touristic reasons but for academic purposes as well, I was able to understand Scotts very well... It's probably due to the fact that I stayed for quite a while there and, therefore, I got the chance to communicate with many natives... I think it's just a matter of practice!
UK is one of my favourite places as well... Especially London and Scotland... Have you ever been in Birmingham? I've heard of its university. It's quite well reputed actually!
I was in Birmingham this semester on erasmus. The university was absolutely amazing, although the city is not really that special. I've spent alot of time there since my boyfriend is from Birmingham, I was there all summer. He studies in Egham though, in Royal Holloway, so I also visit Egham alot, which is good because it's really close to London so we visit all the time. Plus it's even closer to Windsor, the Queen's town which is so beautiful! As for the Scottish accent, after a while you do get used to it eventually, as with all accent.
If you really like England, I deffinitely recommend trying to go to Birmingham on erasmus (you study the same as me here in Greece so I know it's one of the options)...Coming in contact with academic english, having to learn how to quickly read/scan books in order to find key passages for your essays etc was extremely valuable for my knowledge of english and I think it was the perfect preparation for a future master's in England. Let's not even mention the fact that I learned more in 3 months than what I've learned in Greece for 3 years...English educational system is amazing. Their universities, the libraries, are everything a student might need.
May I ask you about these summer school's you 've been to? At which universities did you go? Which one was the best?
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Ah, England, my favourite place on earth
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That's why it's very difficult to find a good psychologist, because they need to be flexible, not to blindly follow one "school" and dismiss all others. They need to be able to sense where one method has failed or is leading to a dead end and try another. But this is something you can't teach to people, it's something you must have in you I believe.
The books are good, they offer some guidance, some basic methods, but how can these methods apply to us all? The best psychologist is often the person who knows you the most.
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Hi!
Regarding the accent I prefer the most, I'd say I like the typical english one... It's more genuine and authentic... and quite sophisticated, actually...!!! What about you?
Kind regards,
Lita Athens
May I ask what is the "typical English accent" ? As far as I am aware there is no such thing. I am guessing you mean the London accent which is what we think is typical because of the movies. England has countless accents, people there are able to tell you where you are from based on your accent.
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